Between Worlds: Mediumship and End-Of-Life Transition with Amy Rush

North Node.

It's the natural cycle of life.

Yeah. But, yeah.

Somehow through the eons here, we divorced ourselves from that natural cycle. Right. And I have many theories of why, and I've gone down all those research rabbit holes too, and I have some sense making around that.But we divorced ourselves from that, like, natural cycle of life. And we made it like this foreign, scary thing that happens at the end.

Yeah.

And it's sad and it's tragic and it's a mess and it's terrible. And we've done that to ourselves.

Yeah.

Right. And then we do that to death. And so we don't know how to treat people who are dying.We don't know how to treat people around the people who were dying. We don't know how to think or feel about it ourselves. And so we're all just like, weird about it.And then as I'm living this and I'm seeing these like, it's like Swiss cheese holes. Right.And how we deal with it, I'm thinking, okay, but I. I'm thinking about this and feeling things about it that are very different from anybody else in the room.

Yeah.

Right.And I'm experiencing this in ways that when I'm communicating these ways or asking these questions or seeking these solutions or treatments, they're bringing relief to other people in the room. They're helping other people make sense of what's happening in the room. I think maybe if I shared these things, I could help other people.

Yeah.

Navigate this same situation with greater peace and ease.

Hi, I'm Paige Nolan. Welcome to I'll Meet you There. A place where heart centered conversations are everything.Living what matters is the truest thing, and sharing the journey is the best. Hi everyone, and welcome back. I'm so happy to introduce y' all to my guest today because she is such a wise and lovely human.Spending an hour with her is good for the soul.My guest is Amy Rush and she is a person who brings an extraordinary blend of compassion, clarity, and presence to some of the most tender, heartfelt moments of the human experience. Amy works as a death doula and medium. She lives in St. Louis where she is married and a mother to two teenaged sons.I met Amy in the best way through a mutual friend from St. Louis, another woman named Amy, whom we both adore. Who knew we would hit it off that Amy sent me a message on Instagram over a year ago and wrote, I want you to connect with Amy Rush.I feel like you both could have some great conversations. And that is exactly what has happened. I love talking to Amy Rush. I've gotten to know her in a friendly way over the past year.And then a couple of months ago, when I was feeling the transition of my daughters going away to college, I booked Amy for a reading. Once I experienced Amy in the realm of her professional work, I knew I wanted y' all to know her and to be inspired by the message she lives.Amy supports people and families with such warmth and professionalism.She's a wonderful resource for guidance and healing, not just at the end of life, but also in the transitional moments of life like the one I've been in lately. Time with Amy is grounding and heart opening in a way that feels very real and lasting.In this episode, Amy and I talk about the hidden superpower of anxiety, the trust and courage it takes to embrace one's true calling, and what a gift it is to have your people take a leap of faith with you. Death is weird and how we handle it as people, as a culture, as a healthcare system, it's all very weird. And Amy is so real about that.We talk about how the supernatural is actually just natural, and we talk about what we know in our heart, what is sacred, what is true, and what intentionality has to do with it. Amy has some beautiful things to share about service, about love, and about remembering. In the end, you'll hear her talk about her greatest hope.And as much as she loves her job, if her hope is realized, she may not have one. Until then, Amy has a lot to share about what she's learned, and I'm grateful she wanted to share it with us. Enjoy my conversation with Amy Rush.

So I would love to start with childhood early messages about spirituality, about your worldview.So take us back to little Amy and that the earliest memories are like childhood memories that you may have of how you think about the world that were probably seeds to lead you and I'm sure are woven into a part of what you do now.

Yes. So thank you. It's a big question, a big direction, but I'm so happy to take it. And first, let me start with gratitude.I start everything with gratitude. And not, not out of obligation, but very intentionally because I am so grateful. Oh, my goodness.I'm so grateful to be here with you today, on this planet right now, having the perspective I do, having the opportunity that I do. So I'm just so grateful. So thank you. Thank you.

I felt the same way. Amy, I'm so happy to see your face and be doing this. So thanks for starting with that.

Yes. So. So if we go back to the beginning, you know, born and raised, St. Louis Catholic family. I'm the oldest of four.My earliest memory is actually one of mystical proportions. Isn't that amazing?

Fitting.

Yeah, fitting. But I, you know, really, I don't think I'm any different that way. I think that's probably true for so many people.

Yeah.

We just forgot or we buried it, or it wasn't honored and so we didn't take it with us. Right, that memory.

Yes.

My first memory is truly of when I was about two and a half, three, and I had an emergency appendectomy. I was very, very, very sick. And I remember the entire thing from outside of my body.

Wow.

Literally, as if I'm watching a movie of it. And specifically, once I get to the hospital, I remember being behind the shoulder of a nurse treating me.And then I remember the scene from being in the corner of the OR prep room, and then the or.And I'm able to recount details from all of that that I shouldn't be able to because I was, in theory, on the table being given anesthesia and powerful medications and all those sorts of things. But that is not the case. I. I have memories of it from other parts of the room that I shouldn't have carried with me, but I do. And I really.I've remembered that my entire life. I didn't have a word for what it was or a way to explain it.

Yeah.

Until high school, when I was driving around with a dear friend of mine from high school and we were talking about, like, weird experiences we didn't know how to explain. And I told her that one, and she was like, oh, that's totally explainable. You had an outof body experience.

Yeah.

And I was like, wait, what? What are you talking about? What is that? And so then I went down that rabbit hole and. And I knew it to be true.Like, when I did go down the rabbit hole, I'm like, oh, that's what happened to me. But still, by that time in my life, it's not like I had context in my life to explore that and lean into it and develop it and go with it.But it was a breadcrumb, Right? Like, I think we all have breadcrumbs.

Yes.

I've had many. I have an amazing memory.

Yeah.

So I'm able to go back in time and trace my breadcrumbs. But that's certainly with the first.

Did that lead you into researching sort of that realm? I mean, I know we're the same age, so at that time it wasn't as mainstream to talk about what you would consider.I don't even know if the word is metaphysics or. I don't, I don't know the exact word for it. But did you start that young reading and at least educating yourself in that realm?

So I would say in high school, once I started talking about these things and thinking about them, I did do so much research. I have been reading since high school. Back then, all these books were under the guise of self help.

Yes.

Right.

I had that same experience. Yeah.

She went to Barnes and Noble or Borders or we had this amazing bookstore here at Library Limited at the time. Like it was self help.

Yes.

And I can't even tell you how much heat I took from my friends. They tease me all the time, like, what do you think is in those books? What? What? What are you self helping about? What? What?Yeah, like, what's your problem? Like, this is weird. But I kept reading because it was fascinating and totally enough resonated.I don't really remember at the time, but it must have been that enough resonated that I'd picked up the next book and the next book and the next book.

Yes.

And this was before you could Google anything. Yes. And before you could jump online and do a class. So, yeah, I did my own research and have a really rich library thanks to that.

My portal was Wayne Dyer.

Yes.

I remember being like, okay, he's still got his PhD in psychology and I came to it around age 24, but it was very like on the down low.So I was raised Episcopalian and my mother at that time was a therapist, so she was kind of open minded in terms of like, you know, self development and all that, but. But still, like, try the church first. And I just kept hitting a ceiling with the, the ideas that were presented to me through religion.I have nothing against, just I couldn't fully get my mind as open as I wanted to.And he was the first one that I could let all the way in with the power of intention and visualizing and just understanding where psychology and spirituality meet. And then that was kind of a portal. It's like the gate. Wayne was like my gateway drug.Oh, then I can go into weirder people from Wayne because I don't even

consider him that weird.

And he's so lovely and like a wonderful speaker and a father and very gentle.

Yes.

Grounded. Yeah. Yeah. That Wayne is not even weird.

No.

But at the time, yes, we were really weird.

Right. For reading things and thinking about these things and wanting to talk about these Things. I think you bring up an interesting point.

Yeah.

That I do think so many of our generation, our parents or our elders or, you know, those around us who had lived a little bit longer, truly their only framework for thinking about anything other than the material world was organized religion.

Yes.

Right. Like, that was their context, and that was their only framework. And this other stuff may have been like, hippie, dippy.

Yes. Or that was another New Age. I heard a lot. Oh, that's hippie. Yeah.

But it even hadn't been around that long to even take a whole lot of root. Right.And so I think we were in this sort of gray area where it was there, but the people around us didn't have any other framework really, for discussion or contextualization or support other than organized religion. And that was where. That was the wallpaper of my life. Right. The Catholicism. The only person that has power is the guy. The guy.

Yeah.

In the collar, at the front of the room. Right. The only person that can be holy and grant you anything is him.

Yes.

Right. So. And I'm not. And I'm not disparaging anybody.

Sure.

Yeah. That just was the context.

Yeah. Go to Mass and, like, have to do confessional. Were you raised a practicing Catholic?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Like, I did all the sacraments.

Sacraments, yeah.

So baptized, first communion, confession. It's called something else.And I will say, though, I did challenge what I was hearing in church and what I was hearing in PSR class or what have you, and that didn't go so well. Right.

Yeah.

Like, I remember coming home from a Mass. I remember the quote from the passage the priest read that said women are to be subservient to men as men are to God.

Yeah.

And my whole body just got hot and mad and angry and frustrated. And I remember thinking, but that's just not true. Like, that's just how all this works. And please, can that not be true. Right. Yeah.And I remember bringing that up and there was just.

Yeah.

There was no context there.

Yeah. And so take us through your young adult life. Do you start trusting these ideas? Do you put it aside?Are you still in exploration as you go through college and young adulthood?

I'm in exploration, but privately because. Right. Like, I've been made fun of for. Yeah. Living in the self help section, so to speak.But also, I have to tell you, I had intense anxiety, like clinical anxiety.

Yeah.

What I know now.

Yeah.

Was that. That was probably trapped ideas. Right.

That's interesting. Yeah.

Unmade connections, creativity that wanted to come out.

Yeah.

Experiences of the world. That I didn't know quite what to do with. Right. And there are a couple people that write about this in very far more eloquent ways.Pat Longo writes the gift beneath your anxiety.

Okay.

Martha Beck writes beyond anxiety.

Yeah.

These are like OG women in these fields.

Yes.

Martha has, I think, an MD or PhD or maybe both or something. These are studied women who are like, wait, you know, maybe we've gotten anxiety wrong.

Yes.

You know, maybe anxiety is kind of a miscalibration of other energies within us that are meant to be expressed.

Yeah.

Or that are looking for a home.

Yeah.

They're looking for connection. And we just quite don't know what to do with it because our larger world, our culture, lacks the context to help us know what to do with it.

I think that is so powerful, and I've thought about that before.But hearing you say it the way that you've said it helps me so much because after Wayne, you know, I. I got to Wayne Dyer just out of curiosity, and I like a little bit of stress heading into adulthood. But then I got full on to your point, full on anxiety, where I wasn't sure if I could finish graduate school.I was, like, having a hard time getting on a subway. I was studying in Manhattan. And that, like, really opened my mind.I mean, I. I get the giggles with my girlfriends because I say a blinking light psychic on the. In the East Village saved my life by turning my tarot cards.And it just was this, like, oh, I can think about life more creatively and I can play the human condition.

We've been programmed to overthink. To think.

Yeah.

To think that this holds the key and the answer to everything.

Yeah.

Right. And so if you're a feeler, which I think in naturally anxious people who run anxious are probably just very porous and very empathic.

Yes.

Right. And very perceptive. I know. That was really. The source of my anxiety was incredibly porous. I was incredibly aware. I was.I was like, hyper aware of my surroundings and other people's energies.And I was able to, like, read a room at a very young age and understand what people were thinking and feeling about me and not knowing what to do with that. And then we. We go here because we've been programmed to think. We. To think.

Yes. We think your way out of it.

Yeah.That you can create the solution or there's a solution to be thought through, or, you know, we go to that egoic place where what happens if we flip that script, if we go to the other side of the coin? To our heart and we feel our way through it is intensely anxiety provoking. To board a subway in Manhattan. Yeah.An activated forest empathic person, like all the. Yeah.

And you're in that little space that. That's always a big trigger for me. Tiny spaces.

I can feel. For me a trigger is a lot of humans because I'm able to sense and perceive all their energy.And I think a lot of people's anxiety comes from that, but we just don't know what that is. And then we think instead we think there's something wrong with us. Yes. Right. And that we need to like medicate it or what?And I'm not saying don't medicate it. Do whatever you need to feel better in the world. I'm all for it.

Yeah.

It saved me. Okay. But there's. There's to like Martha Beck's point and to Pat Longo's point. There's another way to look at.

Yes.

These things. Right. And like let's. Let's dial this back and go inside and say, okay. I'm feeling these ways and experiencing life these ways.Because I'm incredibly pers. Perceptive. I'm very empathic, I'm very aware. And then how do I work with those superpowers?

Yeah. Yeah.

To really use them as superpowers and not necessarily liabilities. Right.

How did you make that transition in your own life? Did you. It was way start to accept it.

Yeah.

Yeah. So you go on and you do the mainstream thing. You fight through that. You get a mainstream job. Did you go to a four year college?

To a four year college graduate school? I did all the things. Right. I worked communications, I was self employed.I worked for agencies, individuals, organizations, I mean, you name it, the whole mix.

Yeah.

I married, I had two kids. It's all been wonderful. Lovely.

Yes.

Right. It really wasn't for decades until I realized that my liabilities were really my superpowers.

Yeah.

And that I could step into my own powers that way and experience life in a much peaceful, joyful, love filled way.

Yes. Absolutely. I love that. Did you have an event that got you. There was this.

I would say it was a series of events. Okay. It was a series of disruptions, of deaths, of falling apart messes.

Yeah.

And me getting so deep in the weeds with that, trying to cerebrally think my way out of it. You know, I am firstborn female, type A perfectionist. You know, how do I figure this out?I got to a place where I could not figure anything out anymore. I couldn't figure out people Anymore. I couldn't figure out situations anymore. There were no answers. There were no magic bullets.All I know was that the life I was living while. While beautiful, truly, truly was really way too difficult for me. Like. And I had realized I probably had made it that way.

Yeah, well, don't we. Don't we all. I mean, to some extent we are. We make the suffering more difficult because we suffer through our suffering. You know, so it's these.

And we think that. That suffering is truth and what we're meant to experience.So anyway, I just honestly got exasperated at my life and the circumstances and I remember the day I just said I am done.

You had a dimw.

I had a day. I had a moment. Where were you?

Were you outside?

I was at our former home. We moved into this home two years ago. I was at the home we moved out before.I was staring out the window watching the birds and I just remember thinking there's got to be more to our stories than this.

Yeah.

Because if this was all there is, I don't know that we'd have an over. Overpopulation program. Overpopulation problem. Right. I don't think that we'd have.Like, I. I just think that we would have probably gone extinct a while ago. Like. Yes. I just. If this was all. There is no way.It just that that theory just could not float with yes, there's got to be more and it's got to be better than what I'm doing. Right. And what I'm thinking and what I'm feeling.

Yeah.

And I would say that was my first step towards surrendering to that other way of living life.

Yes.

This.

And do you feel like discovering death doulagship and going through the deaths of loved ones that coincided with your revelation and intention?

A hundred percent.

Can you tell us a little bit about that, that experience? Because I know you came to that work because of your personal journey and being overwhelmed by it. And like, how do I get through this?

Yeah. I've come to all the work I do now. The way I present myself, at least to the public.

Yeah.

Through death and dying.

Yeah.

Really. Right. And understanding that, that those were. Those deaths I navigated were just invitations.

Yes.

Portals that I. That I willingly stepped through and said, what do you have for me here? So anyway, the journey with death began early too.I see those breadcrumbs very early.Like I remember when I had a d. My dad's like, I don't know, second cousin or second uncle three times removed or something died and he was going to the funeral. And I was like, well, can I go? I think I was like eight.

Yeah.

And curious. He said, why? I'm like, because I've never been to a funeral and I want to know what that is. And so he took me. Right. I remember that.I remember navigating the death of a really dear friend from high school who died in college in a horrible accident. Hiking accident. And then, you know, my stepdad passed away. That was the first time I had really been involved in a death that involved hospice.Like an at home death. Okay. Really involving hospice. And I got to be present for that, which was a tremendous gift.

Yeah.

It was really my own dad's passing.

Yeah.

And then less than 90 days later, my grandmother's passing. Those two I experienced back to back.

Yeah.

That were truly my portals to, like, they were initiations, really. Working in death with other people.

Yes.

And it was my dad's death specifically that I was present for. And I shouldn't have been present for. Interesting chain of events. Shouldn't have been there.

Did he die in St. Louis?

He died in St. Louis in my sister's home.

Okay.

My sister and I tending to him 24 7.

Wow.

For a couple weeks.

Yeah.

And I leaned into that process fully.

Yeah.

Like, told my husband, you need to do the kids, you need to do the dog. I'm doing this with my sister. I need to do this. I spent the night there. I'd come home, shower, go back. Right. So I did all the things.I was present for it. And in being present for it, I saw how weird we all are about death.

Yes. It's a great word.

We are about it. How we deny it, even when it's, like, happening right in front of us in the room. How scared we are of it, how skittish we are.We all treat it like super weird. Okay.

Yes.

And then I saw how, like, our culture treats it weird. I saw how, like, the systems we have built up around it also kind of don't even know what to like. And.

And we're all doing it.

It's the natural cycle of life.

Yeah. But yeah.

Somehow through the eons here, we divorced ourselves from that natural cycle. Right. And I have many theor why. And I've gone down all those research rabbit holes too. And I have some sense making around that.But we divorce ourselves from that, like, natural cycle of life. And we made it like this foreign scary thing that happens at the end.

Yeah.

And it's sad and it's tragic and it's a mess and it's terrible. And we've done that to ourselves.

Yeah.

Right. And then we do that to death. And so we don't know how to treat people who are dying.We don't know how to treat people around the people who were dying. We don't know how to think or feel about it ourselves. And so we're all just like, weird about it.And then as I'm living this and I'm seeing these like, it's like Swiss cheese holes. Right.And how we deal with it, I'm thinking, okay, but I. I'm thinking about this and feeling things about it that are very different from anybody else in the room.

Yeah.

Right.And I'm experiencing this in ways that when I'm communicating these ways or asking these questions or seeking these solutions or treatments, they're bringing relief to other people in the room. They're helping other people make sense of what's happening in the room.I think maybe if I shared these things, I could help other people navigate this same situation with greater peace and ease. Okay.So I'm kind of doing all this sense making while my dad's dying, and then nobody prepares you for like actually the moment of death, which is also very weird to us because again, we haven't. We've decided not to be present for it.

Yeah.

Eons. So we don't know what happens. And I go into a tailspin of grief and I forget all that I've learned and navigated and made sense of.And then less than 90 days later, my grandmother, who's 99 and had been very vibrant and full of life and active until very much, I don't know, 98, 99.

Yeah.

She starts actively dying.

Yeah.

This is your father's mother?

No, it's my mother's mother.

Oh, other side of the family.

I know. Interesting, right?

I was thinking it was connected to her grief, that she. Because that was her son who died. But it's not nature.

All ancestral threads fully activating here. So.

Yeah, you do.

My mother's mother, who had been just lovely to me my whole life, we had a very special relationship.And here she is navigating end of life at home in hospice with everybody around her, including, honestly, the hospice workers, not knowing, not understanding how she's feeling, what she's thinking, what she really needs. I'm going in, seeing things in a different way again.Seeing the holes, seeking to fill them, having interesting conversations, learning as much as I can about hospice, where it leaves off, how I can supplement it. All these things are happening all over again.

Yeah.

Less than 90 days later, she dies. And I literally ask what I would call the universe. You know, like a rhetorical question you throw to the heavens. You know those questions. Yeah.What the F was that? Yes. What just happened in 90 days?

Usually, how they found.

What the F was that? Back to back deaths of.

Yeah.

Very important, closely held loves in my life. What was that? And why did I live it that way? And what's with these experiences? And the answer was, like, immediate, such that I knew it wasn't mine.Right.

Yeah.

Because this is your work.

Yeah.

And this is how you're meant to serve.

Yeah.

Is that a voice that you had heard before that moment? Because I. I get really interested when people talk to me about a voice that they knew wasn't theirs.

Paige, that is such a powerful question. And I have to tell you, that was the first time I heard that voice in that way.

Yeah.

With that clarity and that power. And that is probably why I knew it to be true.

Yeah.

And I knew there was no going back.

Yeah.

It was like, okay, and here you go.

Yeah.

What are you going to do with it?

You need to research it. It sounds like that voice helped you trust your lived experience, which is how we started the conversation.Dropping from your head and overthinking into the knowingness and saying, okay, I'm. I'm trusting this. I'm moving forward with lived experience now.

This is who I am now.

Yeah.

Did you share that with anyone else in the room? Your sister or friends or your husband? Or was it like, okay, I'm just one foot in front of the other.I'm gonna hang a shingle out and say, I'm a death doula.

So, of course, because I'm a human and I'm type A and I'm, you know, impulsive and research.

You're like, let me remind you, I'm still born.

I reverted. I reverted. Right. To Amy, who goes to the self help section.

Yes.

Which is now called other things. It's now divided into all these other words that are also beautiful. Right.

Yeah.

And. And now we have the Internet, and now we have online coursework and all these experts sharing all this rich lived experience online.So I went down every rabbit hole I could find having to do with death and dying.

Yeah.

Oh, and mind you, I'm remembering at the same time, I'm going down all the research rabbit holes. I'm remembering all the research I did in college with Elizabeth Kubler Ross. Yes. Right.With the feminine spirituality class I took at my Jesuit college, where I wrote a paper on Lakshmi Right. Like I'm remembering all these other breadcrumbs.

Yes.

That got me where I am, that I had kind of thrown out, baby. With the bath. As I went and did other things in my life. Right.So as I'm researching the death and dying landscape in the United States and partly to understand, contextualize why it is that, like, we've kind of screwed up dying for sure.

Right.

Because I really wanted that answer. Like, how do you help people? Weird about it.

Yeah.

Somebody tell me that. Because if I understand that, then I can even better help people like me. Right. So it's just more sense making. So I did a bunch of research.I took a bunch of trainings. I say I'm a certified death doula. I could be that like three or four times over based on the amount of trainings I took.

Yeah.

I just wanted to get all the perspectives I could. Right. And I took, like bits and pieces of other people's best practices that resonated with me.

Yeah.

Yes.

It kind of got to the point where I'm like, okay, I. I feel like I know enough. I know enough. I've lived enough. I think enough. I feel enough where I could go and help other people and step out this way.And that's when I finally decided to just trust.

Yeah.

And have faith and go. But I did indulge that. That the old Amy. Right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

When you've.

When you did step out, were you invited? Did you have somebody, like, out of just coincidence or synchronicity invite you to help with the death of a loved one?Or had you said, this is my business. I'm actively looking for clients.

I did not have help. I did not have an invitation. It was the bravest thing I have ever done in my entire life. I decided so cool.To call up this yoga studio where I done Reiki work. Reiki masterwork. Okay. I got my Reiki master certificate from this woman named Joy.I decided to call her up and say, so I'm here to help people in death and dying. Could I, like, do like, dying and death classes?

I love it.

And she was like, yeah, that sounds freaking awesome. Let's go.

Yeah.

And so for six months, I just offered free classes. Yeah. Brings and dying in death. And I decided to just see what happened and see who showed up. So my classes were more like survey level type classes.Like, what's a death doula? What do we do? How can we help? Right.

Yeah.

The history of. History of dying and death in the United States. And how do we treat dying and Death and why and what could we do to change it?Now, I did a couple classes on green burials because that's a passion of mine. It's especially of mine. I did extra training in that.

Yeah.

So just kind of sharing with people what I learned in ways that met them, where they are.

Yeah.

Right.

And it took off like wildfire because, you know, when was the last time you heard of anybody holding space for dying and death?

Totally.

You could just show up and talk about it and ask any weary question you wanted to ask.

It's so cool. And the space is being held by

a woman named Joy.

It's Joy's space.

It's Joy space.

And it's so you. It's so beautiful. And so from that experience, is that when you get a client, is that when you head into, like, helping people, families?

Yes.

With the death of a loved one.

Okay. Yes. Because then people knew there was somebody they could call and there was something they could ask and.Oh, you mean people do this sort of work and. And this was. This was several. Several years ago now. Handfuls of years ago now. So we've come a long way in a short amount of time.And I do credit Covid, with that and. And just the pace of the world unfolding right now with death coming, death bubbling up, and the death doula role being more present in. In.

In the public, more validated. Yeah. More interested in it.

Yeah.

Anderson Cooper is talking about being, you know, so we've come a long way. When I stepped out, that was not the case. So people did not know there was a role, There were somebody you could call.

Yeah.

So the more I showed up that way, the more people learned. And the word got out that, oh, there's assistance for me here. I can call for help. I can ask questions. Somebody hold my hand.So, yes, that is how I got to be known and got clients.

Did you immediately love the work? I mean, I know you love your work now, and you are so integrated into both death doula ship and mediumship, but tell us about those early days.Was it like, whoa, zero to 100 miles an hour. What's happening? Or did you feel very okay?

It was Deer in a headlight.

Yeah.

It was conversations with myself on the way to the studio going, yeah, what planet am I living on? What life did I choose again, this is me now. And, holy shit.

Yes.

Wow. Okay.But I'm doing this, and I remember calling on, like, every possible angel, saint, guardian angel, past loved one, and being like, if you're for real, can you show up yeah. Because this is, like, the scariest thing I've ever done. But I also knew it was, like, the rightest thing I'd ever done.

Yes.

Right. Like, I had no choice but to drive to the studio, set up my little space in class and be present.

Yeah.

Like there was no other option for me.

Yeah.

And I also remember making a deal with the universe that I'd show up to an empty room and I'd sit there.

Yeah.

And I'd show up for one person and I'd do the work, and that was the deal. Yeah. And I was so crystal clear on that. And so in a way, that was all driving me.

Yeah.

But the human Amy was like.

Yeah,

okay. To the point where I felt like I had to explain myself to my husband and children. Okay.Like, this is what mom is doing now, and this is it looks like. And could I please ask you for your time and patience over the next several years? I delivered. I delivered a PowerPoint to my family.

Oh, my God.

I made. I made a slide deck that I loaded onto our big screen TV in our living room, and I sat them down and I said, I'd like you to watch this.And I narrated it. I'm like. So I'm asking you to, like, be okay with me showing up this way for the next couple years, and we're just gonna see where this goes.

Yeah. It's so trusting. It's so. That's what comes to mind.Like, it's so as scared as you were, as unfamiliar as the territory was to you to do the PowerPoint, it feels like it's so coming from your body, not your head, you know, it was just like a very grounded.

Like a PowerPoint. It's so good.

I know.

And by the way, before we move on, how did they react?

Deer in headlights as well. So here we are, all deer in headlights. But God love them. They're my family and they love me no matter what.And they see me, and I think they knew they didn't have a choice either.

Yes.

Bless my husband. Yeah. It wasn't up to him, right?

Yeah.

Like, totally. He's never. He's never even been one. I've never even sought permission for, from him.And he would be the first person to say, you don't need my permission to do anything.

Yeah.

I just. I think I just wanted them to see me, and I think they saw me, but, like, still, nobody knew how to connect the dot.Nobody knew how to make sense of it. Yeah. And again, I was trying to meet them where they are. Right.Like, my husband is a mechanical engineer with designation and an mba, and he's a CEO, so he's all the letters of things. Right. And all the. So I was trying to, like, appeal to, like, his sensibilities.

Yes.

I find it to be very respectful, too, just in terms of, like, the role of a mother. Like, you're playing this role, and the role is going to shift because you're changing your life and your priorities.And I think there are listeners of this podcast who are doing that or in the process of that or curious about that as a woman. And I just. I. I think that's really beautiful. And it's, like, mutual respect, you know, Like, I'm gonna. My time's gonna look different. And this is.This is.

We.

We're a team. I think it's a great way to start doing something that you love and making space for what I would consider, because we both are similar in this way.Creative work, you know, there's a. When you have your own business and you're also working in the realm of the heart, you have to get creative with it. It's not a spreadsheet.It can be presented in a PowerPoint, but the work itself is very unpredictable. I mean, I'm sitting in the backyard with the dogs, looking at a tree, and Boyd's like, what's happening?And I'm like, well, this is actually part of my job right now is to have this space, because I'm not going to go into another thing right now until I'm clear.

Right. And there's a lot of that. And they've gotten used. They've gotten accustomed to that over the years. Right. Like, we all had to acclimate.This is a journey for all of us.

Yeah.

And what a blessing that I have people that will, like, ride that with me, you know, that will, like, not get off my train.

Yes.

No. Like, no. No. We're here, and none of us. Those. Those four of us sitting in that room, I look back, and none of us had any answers.

Yeah.

You know, we didn't know what this was going to look like or feel like or sound like. And. And they took this giant leap of faith with me and this giant leap of trust with me, and it's. And it's unfolded beautifully. So good on them.I thank them so much for trusting me.

Absolutely. So how does the mediumship come in? And that's like a whole other level of communication. Were you expecting that? Did that.Did that come forward for you in the presence of a client? Like, did it Come forward. Working with people who are dying.

Like, how did I serve public? How did I decide to serve publicly that way?

I think curious about the private experience first. Like how you started to trust that aspect of your life and your work.

So how I decided to trust myself as a medium.

Yeah.

Was also through the invitation of my father's death.

Oh, interesting.

And my grandmother's wild stories related to that. Right. Yeah. Let's talk about first some things that were going on as my father died. You'll.You'll hear this and see this and read this and research about people who are actively dying. And when we're given the gift to witness it, what we can witness. And we can often witness our dying loved ones maybe talking to a corner of the room.Right. And we don't know who they're talking to or what about, but we witness it and we don't understand it.It's often written off in the medical field, especially as hallucinations. Yes. Or maybe it's the drugs or it's the not eating or the not what? Whatever. Okay. Yeah. So rewind. I'm with my dad. I am with my dad.I am watching him being, I would say in. In a comatose state, almost unresponsive, uncommunicative. Actively dying. Okay. But yet I am.Am seeing his nephew in the room who passed and his twin brother who passed. And I am telling myself what I told myself for decades. Oh, you just have a very rich imagination. You're a really good storyteller.You just wish John and Francis were here. Right. But it feels really good. So I'm indulging myself in it. Like, oh, isn't that nice, Amy, John and Francis are here.

Yeah.

And I watched my dad come out if his non communicative state.

Yeah.

And begin to talk to John and Francis and use their names.

Yeah.

And talk about things with them.

Yeah.

That I had been experiencing. Sitting there, thinking. It's meant being creative and imaginative and in that moment going, oh my God.

Yes.

Wait, you mean this is real? So.

And it's so powerful because I imagine that you had those moments for years.

Years.

Like little moments. And so to be in the room with someone who validates it not by telling you that you're normal, but by speaking to the very cool.

Very cool. Right. And how much more powerful is that? The validation coming from the witness.

Yes.

Of it versus. I mean, my dad could have told me for 40x years. Oh, this is real, honey, you're real. You're a medium. I wouldn't have believed it. Still Right.I would not.But to see it happen and feel it happen and watch it unfold and then fast forward, you know, and remember, I live all these things with my dad and they're all like supernatural, which is actually natural. Yeah.Lived experiences and I'm trusting them and I'm having faith and then they all fall away because I go into this spiral of grief and then my grandma dies, Right?

Yeah.

So here I am tending to my grandma and she lived about. At the time, she lived about 7 to 10 minute drive from my house.

Okay.

So before she started actively dying, she was dying. Dying. I'd go over during the day, right? So I'd spend the night at my house and then I go over during the day.One morning I'm driving over to her house and I'm thinking to myself, oh my gosh. I'm looking in the rearview mirror, I'm like, I have got to get my hair done. I need like highlights or something, like grays coming in.I literally look like people in my life had been dying and I, you know, like, I just was a massive, like, I just look like I had just been through the trenches and I was tired, haggard, and it was winter and I'm like, I've got to fix this hair. I think I need to go lighter. I need highlights and I need to get rid of the gray.My grandmother had also been in that same, like, kind of comose, non communic, non communicative state I had found my dad in previously. So I was familiar with it. Right. And that's what I was used to walking into every day. So I walk in and she is in that state. She is not communicating.She is, we think, unaware of her surroundings. You know, actively dying, but not like dying, dying.

Yeah.

And I'm settling my things in the corner of the room and I hear something rustle. And I look over and it's her, like moving bed sheets or something. And she picks up her head, opens her eyes, swivels her head to me.With my sister as my witness, by the way.

Yeah.

Looks me eye to eye and goes, don't you dare keep messing with your hair. Stop with the highlights. It looks so much better when you just keep it naturally dark. You look so much more beautiful that way.

What did you do? Were you like that? Your face that you're making with big eyes?

Yeah. I look at my sister, my sister goes, what was that? And I go, I think I know, but I'll just, I'll tell later. Like.And then I just go into caregiver Mode, right?

Yes.

And I'm like, oh, do you need, do you want a drink? Like, yeah, can I get you some soft scrambled eggs? You know, I. Okay. It happens the next morning.

Yeah.

I'm driving over, I'm driving over thinking about regrets I had had with a moment from my shared history with my grandmother.

Okay.

I had been actively cleaning out my garage and this was like a year and a half before that, maybe a year before. Year and a half. And I.It was the kind of garage clean out where you pull everything out, everything's dirty, you, you use the blower to blow everything out. I'm hosing down. I mean, I was grimy to no end. And as I'm grimy, my phone starts to ring. And it rings over and over and over again and it's her.And I take like, I wipe off my finger and I hit my phone and I just keep denying the call. Right. Sending it to voicemail because I'm too dirty to pick up the phone.

Yeah.

Like I can't, I can't talk to her right now. The last time I hit send a voicemail from behind me, a giant stack of bricks falls and cuts open my foot.And I have to leave my house in an ambulance and have a repair done on my foot. It was terrible. But anyway, I'm recalling this like whole scene in my brain, how damn Amy.I wish I would have picked up the phone because mind you, that's the last time she was allowed to use a phone.

Wow.

Like her own. I didn't, I didn't know that at the time, of course. Okay. That was the last time she would ever like call me on a show.

Yeah.

So I'm driving over to her house while she's dying, recalling this story filled with regret, filled with sorriness, my own self imposed suffering about it. And I'm literally crying. On her way in her driveway, I wipe away all my tears, I go in, I again find her in this like comatose state. Non responsive.We think she's totally out of it. Is today going to be the day?Once again, lifts up her head, makes eye contact with me and goes, I know you're sorry that you didn't pick up the phone. Yeah, I'm sorry too. But it's okay. Yeah, all is forgiven. It's okay. I'm not angry and I never was.

I mean,

and I melted. I had been carrying this weight for like a year and a half. Right.

And, and what a gift to get this time. These exchanges, like you can't, it's just so beautiful. And not everybody gets these moments. And also to inform your work for you specifically.So validating. And it informs your future using these messages.

Yeah.

The way that you read for people in your mediumship is so loving and present and with such knowingness about it, even though I know you have all of your moments of questioning and you have to, you know, revisit your own trust in it. When I've had a reading with you, and I think it's just.There's the way that you're describing the story right now is I feel similar to how you read for people. There's just this beautiful gift in it. And you knowing that it. It is a gift when we get these communications.

And it's very sacred.

It's very sacred.

So the reason I read for other people is these two humans.

Yeah.

And what they showed me and what they had me know in my own heart. Right.

Yeah.

Which is that mediumship's real. Telepathy is real, obviously. Right. Like, my dad and my grandmother gave me undeniable evidence of these things.

Yeah.

The kind of evidence where life can never be the same again. Like, I couldn't go back to the Amy who just pretended that she was imaginative and creative. Like, I had to honor all that as. As real.And not only that, I had to step out and help other people in these ways because the healing I received.

Yeah.

From these experiences was transformational. Like I said, they helped me shed things, like years of guilt, years of shame, years of not trusting, years of questioning in a millisecond.

Yeah.

And like, how could I. Who am I to not help other people do that?

Yes.

Did you start by helping the people with whom you were doing the death doula ship work, or did you just read for anybody?

Both. Okay. Because it all kind of happens simultaneously. Right.

Yeah.

So I understood. I understood that mediumship, that telepathy, that all those supernatural gifts that are really natural gifts would be tools in my toolbox as a.As a death doula.

Yeah.

And that's what would make my death doulaness mine.

Yes.

Right. Like my flavor. Yeah.But at the same time, I could help people with mediumship and telepathy and all these natural, supernatural powers separate from anybody dying.

Yeah.

So it was both at the same time.

And as you get better at refining your skills in the mediumship work, how do you handle process, like, the. The grief part of this, you know? Like, does it.I imagine, in mediumship, especially if you have parents who have lost little kids, that would be a very unique weight of loss. But Anybody. It could be anybody. But I just. That population, I have a special heart for. I think we all do.How do you move through those feelings as the medium? You know, do you. Do you have a ritual before or after? Or do you get burnout? You know, like, what is the experience for you as the medium?

I believe that my ability to serve as a medium.

Yeah.

To serve effectively, meaningfully, comes from my clarity and knowing my role. My role. Beautiful. Yeah. It's not to experience grief right alongside them.

Yeah.

I see their grief, I feel their grief, I honor their grief. But I am not to feel it. It's not mine. Right. I have a different job with them. So I'm able to kind of like bump to the front of the line, if you will.

Yes.

Like, I think about like cutting in line in a Disneyland ride, Right? Yeah. Yeah. How horrible it is to have to wait two hours to finally experience the fun. Guess what? Amy doesn't have to wait in that line with you.

Yeah.

That horrible line. I get to like bump to the front and I just get to go do that work with you. That's love based and healing.

Yeah.

Without having to experience all that grief and suffering.

Yeah.

Because I know it's not mine and I know that's not where I'm meant to serve, so I actually don't experience it with people.

Yeah.

I heard.

Yeah.

The most tremendously life altering, anguish inducing, what should be anguish inducing stories. Yeah. Of loss and separation, murder, suicide, accident. I mean, the stuff I have heard would bring anyone to their knees.

Yeah.

But because it's not. That's not my work. I don't even. It doesn't touch me. Does that make sense?

Yes. I think it speaks to your integrity and how ethical you are.And this is why I love your work and I'm so glad you're here because I love, loved doing my reading with you. And I've. I met you personally before we sat for reading and I have had other readings.And you and I, I've told you this after my reading with you, there's no entertainment with you, there's no. Let me impress the sitter. You know, when we do a reading with a medium for those listeners who are new to this, you sit for a reading with a.With a medium. That's the language that people use. But there's no. With your work, there's no sense of, Let me wow her.And so I want to ask you about that because it's, it's just you are very distinguishable in that way. And I love your work for that reason. And that's why I want more people to know about your work for that reason.I find it to be deeply symbolic and deeply healing over time. So it's like your reading unfolds, like, in the moment. I'm sitting with you and I'm hearing your interpretations because you are the messenger. So.And I'll give it actually a example to our listeners that I think is a good one to use. And I know you. You don't remember all the details from all your readings. So when we sat together, my maternal grandmother came through.And historically, my maternal grandmother has come through to apologize to my mom because she was a pretty neglectful mother. In our reading, she came through for me, and it was more to encourage my work with women. She was very funny. She had a lot of energy.She had a really strong work ethic.And I think one of the reasons she was so neglectful as a mother is because she wasn't empowered as a woman, you know, so she was in a really difficult marriage with my mother's stepfather. And so that got in the way of her being a mother.So the message was about my work and empowering women and all the work that I do to gather women and have these beautiful conversations.And the day before you and I did our reading together, my dad called me, and he had a friend who was flying through Milan, and he somehow, this friend was going to go. Wanted to go visit a museum and see the statue of David. And my dad was like, is it. Is that statue in Milan? I can't remember.And I said, for a second, I studied in Florence, and I know that it's in Florence, but for a second I was like, well, maybe it's not in Florence. You know, I'm talking to my dad, and he's really good with information. And I'm getting, like, in insecure about my memory now, these days.And so I'm like, dad, let me look it up just to make sure I think it's in Florence. And when I look it up, the whole picture of that statue fills my laptop.I really look at it, you know, Like, I really take it in, and I say to my dad, yes, it's in Florence. And gosh, this statue, it's exquisite. Like, I can't believe that this piece of artwork exists. You know, like, I really have that moment.And then we remember together that we had visited before. I stayed there and studied abroad.

Abroad.

The next day, I'm on the phone with you.And one of the things that I'm going through in My life right now is that my twin daughters, firstborn twin daughters, are in college, and I have a little bit of pressure that, like, oh, now they're gone. Now I have this time.I should be doing all this other stuff that I've put on hold professionally, just things around the house, but largely professionally. And the grandmother comes through and says, basically, you need to relax, you need to calm down.Because she could feel the pressure that I was putting on myself. And she was encouraging me about my work. And she said, it's like the statue of David. This is you talking. It's like the statue of David.Imagine that people were visiting that statue before it was perfectly refined, before. Before it became exquisite. It was already good. This is what you say,

So awesome.

And so then I stopped the reading and I kind of take you out of your mediumship and I say, can I just tell you, Amy, that I looked at the statue online yesterday and I had this interaction with my dad. What is that? What? What? The. What?

The.

You know what. And you said, that's the validation. And it's similar to what your grandmother did, the telepathy.That's the validation that you're getting that she's with you and she's guiding you. And in your reading, it was very much through these symbols.And I find that that is a big gift of how you perceive the world and how you communicate to the people who you work with, who follow you on Instagram.You often do stories or post messages about this kind of thing, like symbolic, hopeful validation of the guidance that we receive from our loved ones. That's a really long winded story, but I'm hoping that it helps listeners to understand.I was so moved by it, and I felt like it was very unique having been in this space and talked to mediums and done readings. Can you tell us about that experience for you? Trusting symbols?

How?

Just in me reflecting that back to you, do you feel that that's how you work? And tell us a little bit about you finding your lane and how you communicate with loved ones like that.

First of all, thanks for sharing that story because everything does get wiped clean.

Oh, I'm sure. Yeah, I'm sure. Hours.

I don't remember a thing about a reading. I might not even remember. I probably don't even remember the client's name.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So thank you for sharing that. It's mind blowing. It's never not mind blowing to me. I can.I. I read several days a week, and every day I do it, every minute I do it, my mind is Blown. Anyway, so. Thank you. I think there's a couple aspects of how I show up that explain how my readings are different that way.

Yes.

Okay. And I think one of them has a. It has a lot to do with intentionality. Okay. First of all, we're all mediums. We're all channels.We just don't realize it. We forgot it, we swallow it, we deny it, we poo poo it. All the. Okay. So we're all able to connect. We are the connection.

Yeah.

We're all different. We're all going to show up in different ways. Channel different things, connect in different ways. We. It's just like I think about painters. Painters.Everybody's going to paint a beach scene a different way. Right. You're going to have like an impressionist paints. Paint scene. A cubist paint scene.And even within those specialties, within those schools of thought or design.

Yes.

You're also going to paint differently. Right. Like everybody shows up to their work their own way.

Yeah.

Language, meaning, symbols, layered meaning. I've always been into that. That's always been how I thought about the world that I'm a trained writer. I love words, I love meanings.And so it doesn't surprise me at all that the bulk of my readings are in that space. Right.

Yeah.

That. That's my vocabulary is signs, symbols, meanings, layered meanings. I've always been into that. So that's probably just a reflection of my specialty.Right. Like the way I show up presenting these gifts that we've all been given.

Yeah.

The second thing is the intentionality of what I access.

Yeah.

Because everything, everything throughout all space and time is accessible to us. Everything.

Yeah.

I call it, sometimes I call it different things. The field of knowing, the quantum field, all that is source, whatever you want to call it, it's all accessible all the time. I know.My job is to access messages of guidance and support that are based in love for my clients. Highest, highest and greatest good. And my highest and greatest good in that alone. Like, that's. That's my container. Yeah.So I only fill my container, my vessel, with that work.

Yeah.

That I then, you know, that I then pass along to clients. Does that make sense?

A hundred percent.

The intentionality of it. I am so. I'm almost hyper focused on what I intend to bring in for my client's sake and my sake, frankly.

Yeah.

Only serve in that slice because you can go and access anything you want for sure. Clearly people do. Right.

Like, oh, yeah.

Turn on any streaming service and watch any number of programs about going into some civil War hospital and conjuring whatever you want. Right.

Yeah.

That's not my work.

Yeah.

And so I accessed only love based energies.

Yeah.

And then they're shared with you through the flavor that is Amy, which is very much in signs, symbols, language, and layered meaning. Does that make sense?

It really does. And that is my experience is it's so loving.And it's not to say that other readings aren't loving or well intended, but it's so clear that that setting, that intention and the way that you've done that and how consistently you've held that, it really comes through in your work. And I think it's actually a larger point for anyone listening. It doesn't. Whether it's professional work or fam.The work of being in family or the work of being just a human,

how powerful intention is.

And I'm. I'm here to reflect back to you. It's working because that is what I.When I hung up the phone with you, or we were on zoom and I logged off, it was so loving. It's so loving. And I. What I took away from that moment.There were several other moments in the reading, but with my grandmother was like this overwhelming, like, just keep doing what you're doing. And it was so loving. And she has come through in other ways, but not like that, you know, And.And also come through in ways where I felt like I was kind of judging her because I don't think she was as good of a mom to my mom as I would have wanted my mom to have, or as good of a mom as I would be to my mom if my mom were my daughter.

Right.

You know, so to. To experience her in a different way that was much more expansive and I felt like I judged her less. And I do feel like we heal in all directions.Like we can heal relationships. Even when people have passed 100 by the energy, like it's.It has made me more open to her as a figure in my ancestry and as a figure in my mother's life in a very loving way. So.

Yes.

That's healing.

100 happens across all space and time, which is why mediumship is healing. Right. That really kind of explains it in a nutshell.

Yeah.

I do want to touch on something you said, though, about the love that comes through.

Yes.

I'm so into that and I'm so here for it.

Yes.

Because. Yes, I know. I know in my heart.

Yeah.

I know through personal experience and I know from professional experience that we humans living this life on this planet, as crazy as it Looks, it's all bananas. We come all come from love. We come here, we do our thing and then when we pass, we return to love. Yeah. A hundred percent.There is no distortion of that. The distortion is only ours and it's only here. And humans have created it.

Yes.

So I love other people can get in touch with that love while we're still on this planet.

Yeah.

Right. Because it just bridges who we are.

Yeah.

With what we came from and what we become. Which is all the same thing. Which is divinity, ourselves, we are all divine beings. We are all fully loved.

Yeah.

And so to be able to give help, give other people the opportunity to like touch, feel that, experience it. It's no wonder it keeps living and breathing. Right. It's no wonder you keep thinking about it.That vibration is everything and it's who we are, which is why it feels so good. That is who we are.

Yes.

And you can feel the difference between your everyday busyness when you're not in touch with it and when you do something spiritual. It doesn't have to be a mediumship reading, but the. With the ones that you do help to that end.It could be some other way to connect, but it is a dropping in and it feels like a heart opener. Your readings, your work is a heart opener.

It's a heart opener and it's a heart opener for me too. And I know it's real because.

Yes.

Of what I feel. On the flip side, when I say goodbye to my last client for the day, I have about enough human energy to get home.

Yes.

And then I am out. I am out for exactly an hour for every hour I've been in service.So if I've done three readings, I am either looking out the window watching birds or I'm like out, out taking a nap. I think I'm never going to be able to wake up from. I'm that out.

Yeah.

But the energy is real and my body is a testament to that for sure.

So I want to be aware of time. You've been so generous. Thank you for being with me and staying over. But I do want to end on this really important.I. I have this question and I'd like to ask you this question. What is your hope with the work that you do? The work that you do is unique. It's heart centered. It's expanding our spirit. But what is your hope?That people who have either worked with you directly or someone listening and who is now in contact with the message that you embody. What is your hope for people and. And for this service, you would call it a service that you are in service to.

Yeah.

Tell us about that.

Yeah. Yeah, I hope so.What I like to say is, in a perfect world, my calendar, my client calendar is wide open, and nobody is calling me, nobody's emailing me, nobody's texting me, asking for time. Because everybody has fully realized for themselves that they, too, are gifted. They, too, have this superpower. They are the superpower.We're all connected. We are the connection. Right.I want people to realize that for themselves in mediumship, that they can get and receive and feel into their own messages and communicate across space, time. But also in death doula work. The work I do as a death doula is some of the oldest work that humans have ever known.

Yes.

Right. Like we used to know from our heart how to take care of each other this way.

Yeah.

I just happen to remember it and help manifest it here.

Yeah.

On earth. Right. So in a perfect world, we all remember how to take care of people in death and dying because we can, all of us can.And we remember that we're the connection. We are connected, all of us.

Yeah.

Thank you so much. Well, this conversation serves to that remembrance. I'm so grateful. I'm so grateful for you being here.

Thank you. Thank you for creating the space for it. It's been an absolute joy.

Amy doesn't just know her why in her head. She lives her why from her heart.

I love that about her.

This conversation motivated me to consider the whys in my life more closely. It's so easy to get disconnected from why we do the things we do, but it's the why that keeps us anchored in intention.Amy's intentionality comes through so clearly. It's so strong. It's the strength and clarity of intention that makes her work so deeply, healing and impactful. She doesn't try to do everything.She does her thing, and she knows what is uniquely hers to do. We could all benefit from approaching our lives with that kind of intentionality. We could all benefit from revisiting our reasons.I believe that every person has something to give. Every person has the ability to serve in some way. It doesn't have to be professionally.It's more about offering your presence and your compassion as a service to others because you can, because it's natural and you know how to do it. As Amy would say, our hearts know how to take care of each other.Amy has devoted so much of her time and energy to the betterment of the death and dying experience. And as a result, she's Come to understand a profound truth about living. This is a truth I'm holding close. We all came from love.When we pass, we return to love. There is no distortion. I embrace the idea that Amy gives us. We are all divine beings. We are all fully love.My intention is to let this idea open my heart in ways that surprise and delight and define me. Remembering that love is the center of our existence is one of the best ways to deal with our fears.And to me, it's the only way to infuse our everyday life with the sacred act of living that it actually is.Thank you, Amy for your service, for your devotion, for your courage, for your commitment to guiding and helping people through their grief and sadness and fear and connecting them and connecting all of us to the truth of love. You're so generous with your gifts and I'm so grateful you spent this time with us.If y' all are curious about what it's like to sit with a medium and receive a reading book some time with Amy. And if you're like me and you've had readings in the past, Amy's different.It's great fun to experience the way she sees signs and symbols and language and you leave with that love we talked about in this episode. Lastly, follow Amy on Instagram mshofficial. I love the story she tells about the messages that come through.It will absolutely make you trust the signs that you get from your loved ones. Okay y', all, that's it for now. I will meet you here again soon.

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